Comments on: Memo to the Khadrs: It Isn’t Going To Work http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/ Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:34:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Martin_N http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/#comment-62 Martin_N Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:04:47 +0000 http://www.princanada.com/?p=114#comment-62 If they want to make the media like them, they should just write a gigantic "I'm sorry, you are right, we are wrong" letter; not try to "justify" themselves like this. If they want to make the media like them, they should just write a gigantic "I'm sorry, you are right, we are wrong" letter; not try to "justify" themselves like this.

]]> By: Christie Adams http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/#comment-63 Christie Adams Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:43:03 +0000 http://www.princanada.com/?p=114#comment-63 We'll have to agree that "disgust" is in the eye of the beholder, then. What makes the site ineffective is the family is assuming that everyone feels the same way about the government as they do, and so rather than focus on creating sympathy for their situation, they've wasted space attacking Canadian policy without giving us compelling reasons to believe these policies are wrong. That, combined with no (as you pointed out) acknowledgment of the role they might have played in their plight, makes their arguments ineffective. You said earlier you don't think the family understands how the mass media works-what are the obvious signs to you that shows that to be true? We’ll have to agree that “disgust” is in the eye of the beholder, then. What makes the site ineffective is the family is assuming that everyone feels the same way about the government as they do, and so rather than focus on creating sympathy for their situation, they’ve wasted space attacking Canadian policy without giving us compelling reasons to believe these policies are wrong.

That, combined with no (as you pointed out) acknowledgment of the role they might have played in their plight, makes their arguments ineffective.

You said earlier you don’t think the family understands how the mass media works-what are the obvious signs to you that shows that to be true?

]]> By: Martin_N http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/#comment-64 Martin_N Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:18:56 +0000 http://www.princanada.com/?p=114#comment-64 Aren't you just...guilty of exactly what they claim then? You're sensationalising their disgust for say, political decisions, and blowing it out of proporition saying they hate Canadian values? It would be like saying that early critics of the Iraq War, Guantanamo Bay or Warrantless Wiretapping were "spewing their hatred of American values and morals", it seems dishonest in a fashion. They definitely have some passive-aggressive issues with the handful of Canadian politicians who do seem to be responsible for a large part of their family's disunity (though of course, they should shoulder their own share of the blame as well), but I don't think they're insulting Canada or Canadians at all. At worst, they're one of those Michael Moore-ish types; "Wake up people, your government is oppressing you and tricking you into hating us!"; it definitely doesn't seem like there is any reason for them to be some bogeyman. To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed in you - not that I suppose the opinions of a random reader of your blog matters too much. But it's disheartening to see you tell your readers "there’s a general tone of disgust with Canadian values and morals", when I don't think there is one. Because 90% of your readers aren't going to look at the website themselves and judge for themselves, they're going to take your word for it, just like they take Stockwell Day's word for it that these are people who want to kill Canadian citizens on the streets of Toronto or something. If you're going to be the only exposure ten, fifty, five hundred people have to the website -- you owe it to your readers to not misrepresent anything. And saying "there’s a general tone of disgust with Canadian values and morals" definitely seems like a misrepresentation to me. "There's a general tone of being fed up with the Prime Minister and blaming politicians in general - without acknowledging they may have contributed in some small way to their own situation" would seem like such a better summary...but perhaps that's why I should get my own blog. Aren’t you just…guilty of exactly what they claim then? You’re sensationalising their disgust for say, political decisions, and blowing it out of proporition saying they hate Canadian values? It would be like saying that early critics of the Iraq War, Guantanamo Bay or Warrantless Wiretapping were “spewing their hatred of American values and morals”, it seems dishonest in a fashion. They definitely have some passive-aggressive issues with the handful of Canadian politicians who do seem to be responsible for a large part of their family’s disunity (though of course, they should shoulder their own share of the blame as well), but I don’t think they’re insulting Canada or Canadians at all. At worst, they’re one of those Michael Moore-ish types; “Wake up people, your government is oppressing you and tricking you into hating us!”; it definitely doesn’t seem like there is any reason for them to be some bogeyman.

To be honest, I’m a bit disappointed in you – not that I suppose the opinions of a random reader of your blog matters too much. But it’s disheartening to see you tell your readers “there’s a general tone of disgust with Canadian values and morals”, when I don’t think there is one. Because 90% of your readers aren’t going to look at the website themselves and judge for themselves, they’re going to take your word for it, just like they take Stockwell Day’s word for it that these are people who want to kill Canadian citizens on the streets of Toronto or something. If you’re going to be the only exposure ten, fifty, five hundred people have to the website — you owe it to your readers to not misrepresent anything. And saying “there’s a general tone of disgust with Canadian values and morals” definitely seems like a misrepresentation to me. “There’s a general tone of being fed up with the Prime Minister and blaming politicians in general – without acknowledging they may have contributed in some small way to their own situation” would seem like such a better summary…but perhaps that’s why I should get my own blog.

]]> By: Christie Adams http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/#comment-61 Christie Adams Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:39:23 +0000 http://www.princanada.com/?p=114#comment-61 Hey, thanks for your feedback. I think in this case it's difficult to separate "Canadian Values and Morals" with the family's opinion of the Canadian government. The general True, the site is void of disgust for Canadian popular culture and family values. consensus I got from reading the site is that the Khadrs believe every Canadian citizen has been brainwashed by the Canadian media and government. True, the site is void of disgust for Canadian popular culture and family values. But since, in the website's opinion, the belief of the people and the belief of the government goes hand-in-hand, the Khadr's disgust with the government morals is taken by me as disgust with Canadian morals as well. Hey, thanks for your feedback. I think in this case it’s difficult to separate “Canadian Values and Morals” with the family’s opinion of the Canadian government. The general True, the site is void of disgust for Canadian popular culture and family values. consensus I got from reading the site is that the Khadrs believe every Canadian citizen has been brainwashed by the Canadian media and government.

True, the site is void of disgust for Canadian popular culture and family values. But since, in the website’s opinion, the belief of the people and the belief of the government goes hand-in-hand, the Khadr’s disgust with the government morals is taken by me as disgust with Canadian morals as well.

]]> By: Martin_N http://www.princanada.com/memo-to-the-khadrs-it-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-work/#comment-65 Martin_N Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:57:13 +0000 http://www.princanada.com/?p=114#comment-65 Heh, I didn't hear about this until now - although I was plenty amused to think what could be going through the family's minds; clearly they don't understand how mass media works. But I read over the website, and though you're right - there's some barely-concealed disgust for the Canadian government; I don't see what you're talking about "disgust with Canadian values and morals". I mean, assuming that "War with Afghanistan" isn't a "Canadian value and moral", they seem to be bitching about political choices the country has made in the last seven years - not about how much it bothers them to be represented by fundamentalist Christian lawyers, or how much they hate skinny white girls...I'm just not seeing anything insulting towards their audience (assuming their audience isn't politically-minded). Can you offer an example? There may be something I missed. Heh, I didn’t hear about this until now – although I was plenty amused to think what could be going through the family’s minds; clearly they don’t understand how mass media works. But I read over the website, and though you’re right – there’s some barely-concealed disgust for the Canadian government; I don’t see what you’re talking about “disgust with Canadian values and morals”. I mean, assuming that “War with Afghanistan” isn’t a “Canadian value and moral”, they seem to be bitching about political choices the country has made in the last seven years – not about how much it bothers them to be represented by fundamentalist Christian lawyers, or how much they hate skinny white girls…I’m just not seeing anything insulting towards their audience (assuming their audience isn’t politically-minded).

Can you offer an example? There may be something I missed.

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